Why (Some) Liberals Hate Sarah Palin

But to be honest, I did not really start disliking her until I started hearing this right-wing attitude of "but she's a woman...and if you're a feminist, you have to like the woman no matter what"...which pisses me off no end. Just because we want women to have equal rights and equal opportunity does not mean we have to support anything with female parts, regardless of her anti-women rights stance and pro-hate agenda. Women as a whole, and feminists in particular, are not quite as stupid as the Republican Party would expect us to be.

Holla!! Love it.

It's simple. The left hates anyone who is unapologetically pro-life. Not a popular theme, but there are those who admire her for loving a child with special needs.

@Bubba-939441: At the risk of making your head explode (do you need it, really?), I will tell you that I'm pro-life AND and an economic progressive liberal. I know it's difficult for wingnuts to understand, but it's possible to ascribe to a general philosophy (e.g. liberalism) without having to agree with each and every commonly held belief.

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But to be honest, I did not really start disliking her until I started hearing this right-wing attitude of "but she's a woman...and if you're a feminist, you have to like the woman no matter what"...which pisses me off no end.

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You are SO confused. It was NOT Right Wing Conservatives who parrotted the "feminist BS" it was the LIBERAL faction who backed HILLARY!! Almost all Conservatves love Sarah Palin because of her conservative values and principles, not because she is a woman. Do you actually think conservatives would vote for Olympia Snow or Susan Collins, BECAUSE THEY ARE A WOMAN? GIVE ME A BREAK!! What a phony reason for hating Sarah Palin.....figures!!!

My sister is special needs and I love her and my parents.

I dislike Palin because she's a angry hateful divisive hypocrite.

I like Palin because conservatives have fooled themselves into thinking she's a viable candidate for anything anymore, and that just spells more election victories for Team D.

Team D is going to have the deficit so high and the economy so screwed up that the Republicans could run Charlie Manson in 2012 and WIN.

Yep. Good 'ol Family Values.

A more meaningless and arbitrary term has never been invented as a catch phrase by the FAr-Right to replace American principles as that.

And now we see that if the Manson Family Values will get them into power it is all the same to them. The Adams Family Values is as good.

Peggy: I did not write it. I just said, "holla!"

You are SO confused. It was NOT Right Wing Conservatives who parrotted the "feminist BS" it was the LIBERAL faction who backed HILLARY!! Almost all Conservatves love Sarah Palin because of her conservative values and principles, not because she is a woman. Do you actually think conservatives would vote for Olympia Snow or Susan Collins, BECAUSE THEY ARE A WOMAN? GIVE ME A BREAK!! What a phony reason for hating Sarah Palin.....figures!!!

P.S. You are wrong. Did you even read the original post? It does not say that conservatives liked Palin because she was a woman. It said that conservatives don't understand the definition of feminism, because they thought that those of us who are liberal and (thus apparently feminist) should like her because she's a woman.

But to be honest, I did not really start disliking her until I started hearing this right-wing attitude of "but she's a woman...and if you're a feminist, you have to like the woman no matter what"...which pisses me off no end

Get it? If not, read here.

In a world of Michael Jackson death watch, Sarah is a ray of sunshine.

She's been making my weekend....

There's something about Sarah Palin that just makes me tingly all over. ;^)

Well...tingly beats the hell out of what effect most politicians have.

No one ever accused Strom Thurmond of making them tingly, I'll bet.

making them tingly

What about that black woman Strom was sleeping with? (Although there was probably very little sleeping going on).

I will concede that he probably made her tingly, alright.

Or the other way around, anyway.

I appreciate that she keeps feeding me GREAT material about which to write.

Everyone is dumping on her, left and right, that there has to be some backlash. (Maybe she can sue for that, too. )

Responding to her constant attempts at keeping her name in the public view is hatred?

For a while there it was the left who kept her in the spotlight. Was it really necessary for Letterman or that Kerry idiot to publicly joke about her last month? Maybe if everybody who wanted her to go away stopped dragging her name into conversations she would have.

You cannot be contemptuous of something that doesn't exist.

Well you can, but only if you believe it does exist.

Say Bubba do you have a solution to the current economic delemia the US and the world is in?

If the govenrment holds all the money, so will the people and the economy will stop.

Bubba what do you do for work?

Spend the money build up a debt but the economy keeps moving.

There is no simple answer, but gosh darn it the republican tried their hardest. They released their version of a budget on April Fools Day with no numbers.

Bubba can you tell me what the repubican plan is or was? I didn't see the paln they came up with. I thought they were joking.

If she were smart, she'd be dangerous.

Palin is the type of person who will do and say anything in order to further her own political ambitions.

Typical a Right Wing NeoCon Christian Republican politician.

Look at GWB and his cronies in 2000. They will do anything or say anything about their own, McCain. Right Wing NeoCon Christian Republican politician did to Al Gore, Kerry, Obama, and all the lesser Democrats and Progressive Republicans political offices.

If she were smart, she'd be dangerous.

If she were smart, she wouldn't have been picked by McCain (because, let's be honest, intelligence doesn't appeal to the Republican fanbase) and we'd have no idea who the hell she was.

If she were smart, she'd be dangerous.

(shudders at the thought)

If she were smart, she'd be dangerous.

Plus she would of been a Democrat, Independent or Progress Republican not a Ultra Right Wing Christian Extremist Intolerant Close-Minded Neoconservative Republicans.

The icing on the cake was when she gave that knowing smile to the crowd as it chanted hateful, violence-inciting anti-Obama epithets.

EVERYBODY saw the winks and the smiles. Major miscalculation by team McCain at the number of people winking back though. By the time McCain got a real clue with the infamous "he's an Arab" lady, it was too late. America grew up quite a bit during that election cycle if you ask me.

I agree. Her belief system and political views are so narrow minded, intolerant and bias.

Madam Strangelove so to speak

Have you heard she quit?

There are lots of women are Pro Something and anti-other things.

I am a Pro-Life Democrats who hates Palin.

There are many Republicans that hate Palin.

There are many Republicans on the net playing the role of Democrats to. Leibermen is not, and never was a Democrat. They like to use the tactic to infiltrate, discredit and subvert from within.

Long-distance psychoanalysis is rarely much good, but I suspect Palin is happy with her family. She seems genuinely interested in her kids and seems to be doing a pretty good job, with the notable and unfortunate glitch of a pregnant teenage daughter. But having raised a teenager of my own, I know that the best of efforts doesn't always succeed. At least Palin is supported the daughter, and her grandchild. Many families would have tossed the kid out.

She seemed happiest when she was in front of the guy beheading turkeys

That's it, Dan, a total projection of what they can't deal with in themselves -

The Huck and Sarah Show. They will fight over who gets top billing.

No, The Hannity and Palin Show is more like it

No, no it's the Sarah Palin comedy half hour followed by Plumbing for novices with Joe the Plumber. Coming to FOX News this Fall.

Wow... Listen to Keith Olbermann a little much do we.

1) America was way divided before that. We had the ones of the Left screaming "We Lost" and the ones on the Right saying, "Not Yet". The Division began right around there.

2) Prove it and by Prove it I mean legitimate news show and not commentary.

4) Blatant lie. She filed the Ethics report herself so she could pay the money and the 150k on clothes was donated by the RNC and all of it was given back to the RNC.

5) First part is right. I would like you to prove the second.

Jason.... come on, most people feel that Palin is not for all Americans. Also Jason, McCain's campaign manager has been reportedsaying that Mr. Palin did belong to this group where also Mrs. Palin gave a speech okay. I don't care about the clothes going back to the RNC, because Palin did behave like that onthe clothes issue and there is no way around that. She got caught using the people money of Alaska to pay for her kids okay. Now to the last part, Palin cries and fights everyone who has said something bad about her. Her daugther's ex- boyfriend, Letterman and the so-called main media.

#12 and #12.1:

Palin is a liar, she lied about just everthing including the one about her husband belong to a racist,separatist group for 7 years

Prove it and by Prove it I mean legitimate news show and not commentary.

By her own words reported in the Vanity Fair article and on CBS News:

"(Secession)'s not part of their platform and (husband Todd) was only a 'member' bc independent alaskans too often check that 'Alaska Independent' box on voter registrations thinking it just means non partisan," (Sarah) Palin wrote (in an e-mail to McCain-Palin campaign staff). "He caught his error when changing our address and checked the right box. I still want it fixed."

Palin was attempting to bend the facts ever so slightly to fit neatly into her version of events. In truth, the box that Alaskans have the option of checking when registering to vote states the full name of the party, "Alaskan Independence Party," not "Alaska Independent," which would make an error by uncommitted voters more plausible. (emphasis added)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/01/politics/main5128672.shtml

Believe me, no snow machine (snowmobile) champ born in Alaska doesn't know what the Alaskan Independence Party is; no one who's been in Alaska a year doesn't know it, and he was in the party from 1995 to 2002... and why does she aver that secession isn't part of the platform?

It's not, not really (the notion is to have a statewide referendum on status)... and AIP is not racist in the least. But didn't she get done saying in the same breath that he wasn't a witting member? Not only is she a liar, but she again betrayed her contempt for "The People", especially Alaskans who all know it's no accident when you register AIP. And why? The staffer told her how best to deal with the minor matter and she was having none of it. Why?

Jason Burnham:

4) Blatant lie. She filed the Ethics report herself so she could pay the money and the 150k on clothes was donated by the RNC and all of it was given back to the RNC.

Ahem. The ethics complaint she filed on herself in Alaska was done for the purpose of contradicting the (Rupublican-majority) Legislature's conclusion she was abusing power by firing Public Safety Commission Walt Monehan.

Man, Palin Apologists are really just precious.

Sorry, that's Walt Monegan; here's a clip from a report on that fiasco:

The Legislature found enough evidence to approve $100,000 to investigate Palin’s firing of the Commissioner of Public Safety, in light of accusations that he was dismissed for not firing her ex-brother-in-law with whom there was bad blood. They spent $75,000 of the money allocated, and the bipartisan Legislative Council (composed of 8 Republicans and 4 Democrats) voted unanimously to go forward. An independent investigation by someone that they all agreed to found that Palin violated the Executive Branch Ethics Act. They unanimously voted to release that decision to the public.

As a counter-measure, and a panicked move to look good during the campaign, Palin (with the advice from the McCain cadre of lawyers headed up by Ed O’Callaghan who had no license to practice law in the State of Alaska) initiated her own ethics complaint against herself, knowing that the outcome would be decided by a friendly panel of governor-appointed people who report to her. Guess what? They found her innocent, and refused to even investigate the matter of testimony from Palin that went completely against testimony from the former commissioner. Frivolous ethics complaint? No….a calculated one that the state paid for.

What did the legislature do about their own $75,000 investigation that found the governor in violation of the Ethics Act? Nothing. So, why did we, as a state, pay that $75,000? What did we get for that money? Maybe that’s the question we should be asking.

http://www.themudflats.net/2009/07/02/numbers-shmumbers/

Sources?

Hehe.

Whew good thing McCain didn't win, Palin would have quit and they would have slipped in Lieberman.

A crook from Chicago, OMG McCain wears $600 shoes and Obama had holes on the soles of his shoes.

Crook my ass, hard worker more like it.

If this was an article about Obama I would list the reasons I don't like him and how I think he has harmed this country beyond repair. One of my major problems with Obama can be best summoned up by looking at what he stands for. On Iran he stood up for something and On Honduras he stood up for something. Neither things he stood up for were Amercian values.

So Bush 8 years to destroy the country and Obama should have it fixed in 6 months???

southwest Page

I only voted for McCain because Palin was on the ticket. And I only hate Obama because he's a crook from Chicago.

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DITTO!! I not only hate Obama because he's a corrupt crook from Chicago, but I hate what he is trying to do to my country. Hate is a strong word and I don't know if it applies here, but my dislike for him is intense. The only good thing about him is he will be another ONE TERM far leftist moonbat in the mold of Jimmy Carter.

The only good thing about him is he will be another ONE TERM far leftist moonbat in the mold of Jimmy Carter.

President Obama serving only one term president is not set in stone. Remember Bush was somehow elected twice.

She'de QUIT

How is Biden managing all of the problems Obama is tackling? The answer is he isn't (nor should he). McCain would have been tackling these problems and would have been doing a far better job at it.

If you could stack up all of your "would ofs" and "ifs" on top of each other, you could reach the sun and grab handfuls of solar energy.

McCain would have been tackling these problems

Until he dropped in the traces. Unlike the dreaded McCain/Palin scenario, Biden will go before Obama, so no worries there.

McCain would have had us attack Iran. Do you remember when the Georgian conflict was going on and he stated we are all Georgians. I am waiting for him to state that we are all Iranians.

And have you heard of what Obama has done in Russia on his first day?, Henry Kissinger called him a Chess Master.

Bush looked into Putians eyes and saw.. had a hallucination or something.

Jason 13.3

Hey, it's 2009, not 1986!

Please explain these "American values" you claim president Obama hasn't stood up for, or is that just "Moral majority" rhetoric??

AZPADDY

American VAlues like this?

The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.

-- George Washington, letter to the congregation of Touro Synagogue, Newport, Rhode Island, August, 1790

Well, Ok, but I was really hoping Jason would explain his idea of "American values" that he says president Obama has not stood up for.

Jason???..... Hello?..... Anybody there??

I know... what gives?

Values vs. Principles.

One is arbitrary opinion, and dependant on the personal whims and predilections of the individual. No one values the same icecream let alone anything else specific.

The other is incontrovertible ["We hold these truths to be self evident..."] and is what gives us the freedom to have and hold what we each value.

I have one question: How would Palin manage all of the problems Obama is tackling?

Badly.

But it really doesn't matter because she's not going to get the chance....thank God.

That was too close a call for my taste.

You give her waaaaay too much credit. That was never gonna happen.

It wasn't so much Palin I was worried about. It was registered Republicans who loved Palin.

I'd like to know the breakdown of the number of liberals v. the number of neocons.

See, this is how you tell when a party has lost it's way and been overrun by the far wing. It usually is the rock bottom before the resurgence.

Examples:

Mike Dukakis--seriously. Democrats thought he had a chance?
Bob Dole--because Republicans are not all old white guys.
John Kerry--because Ted Kennedy was too old to lose the election himself, so we got his Mini-Me.
Sarah Palin--Because what America wants is a soccer mom who has seen Russia from her window.
John McCain--because what America really wants is an OLDER white guy.

So, my question is, is the far-right going to fall off the cliff and disappear, or is it going to somehow regroup and reemerge? What is it called these days, anyway? I can't tell the difference between a Republican, a conservative or a neocon.

I think the pendulum swings.

I remember Reagan winning in 1980. The Democrats had so lost their way nobody knew what to think. Hostages in Iran, and we couldn't even land the helicopters in the desert, much less save them. Runaway inflation, 18% interest, olympic boycott...what a mess.

The pendulum swung right, and for a while it was good. The market went up, people had jobs, later the Berlin Wall came down, and we were able to lead a worldwide coalition to stop the unlawful invasion of an ally. Later, we had "gridlock", and with Ross Perot's unwitting help, the pendulum went back left a little.

Then GWB was elected, and then 9/11 happened. I know most liberals love to hate GWB, but he was not always what he became. That day changed him like it changed all of us, and the pendulum went waaay right.

The problem with extreme moves to one side or the other is that the counter move is usually fast, furious and out of control. That's where I see us now. We'll head left for a while until we hit something that stops us and sends us back right.

but the Republican Party we see today is so extreme and so bitter

Absolutely. The good thing about it is that the Republican party that comes back to power (whenever that happens) will be a more centrist, less bitter, more likeable group.

Is it safe to hold my breath on that one?

Almost, but not quite. The ONLY thing that can go wrong there is if our current run takes us so far off the left deep end that voters would rather have Rush Limbaugh in office. I don't see that happening. In reality what I see is the far left supporters of B.O. getting really pissed off and rounding up some insane lunatics to challenge him in the primaries...but eventually coming back into the fold.

Personally, I am very excited about the Blue Dog movement. I hope we're gonna see a growing coalition of centrist candidates.

I am supprised that Sarah would have support Pat Buchanan at anything. She supposed to be a strong, intelligent (cough) women, then why didn't she tell Pat to go to hell when he said this:

"Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free."

"There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The "negroes" of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours."

"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism."

And then today on Morning Joe (and on numerous other venues) Pat says. "She's a knockout, a fire cracker".

Yep that makes me want to vote for her - Nothing about her intellect, nothing about her policies, nothing about what she could offer the American people. She's hot - THE END (I don't think so - remember in 8 years what she will look like - Politics can be brutal on your physical appearance).

What really pissed me off was Mika saying that Sarah spoke for the "REAL" Americans. Excuse me--- I am a real American - I am an American Indian - Mika, you can kiss my a$$.

Sarah will never speak for me. Her Family Values SUCK, just like Sanford's, Ensign, Foley, Craig, John McCain, Newt Gingrich and the rest of the GOP who think they can ram their religion down my throat. I worship my way and do not expect anyone else to worship the same. I for one would never spend an afternoon getting witches excised from me and would not force anyone else to do that. I would never betray my husband nor would he betray me - we respect and love each other (from day one). He would never dream of committing adultry and neither would I. The problems with the GOP is they can screw around, invoke the Bible and everything is okay with them. Well that's not how it works with my Family Values - you fool around you LOSE everything.

She is a disappointment. She cries and blames everyone else for her failings. She hasn't made any progress with her intellect (it was so evident with her "farewell speech" (rambling, disjointed, desparate). She never sound like a "winner". She has been the "eeyore" (from Winnie the Pooh), "Oh Woe is me" Everyone is picking on poor little me" self-imposed "victim". In two years or three years will she be smarter or sound smarter - NO. If she hasn't made an effort to improve her intellect - she will never take the time (how old is she). Wouldn't you have thought she would have cracked a book or two on the campaign trail or even while she was governor. Her kind of intellect can stay right in Alaaaaaska. I for one would like to see the IQ in our country at least stay stable - she would make sure every kid was indoctrinated in her church and view things the same way she does - NOT MY IN MY LIFE TIME. And I have a long ways to go before kicking the bucket.

Someone said on the blogs that she had a lot more "stones" than President Obama". Well, I have seen some pretty nasty things said about our First Family and there has been "no comment" from the White House. Sarah went looking for disparaging remarks about her. COME ON - Couldn't she have found someone in the media to whine about - She is trying to sue a "blogger" who writes Opinions. What is she going to do - Sue the whole freaking world?

There are many more reason why I would never vote for Sarah Palin and I would avidly campaign against her. I am a women who has worked my entire life since I was 13 years old. I racked blue berries in the late summer and picked apples in the fall to make money to buy my own school clothes. I waited tables, worked in a fish factory cutting the heads and tails off sardines (nasty job). I worked in a Clam factory, shucking clams. I did whatever it took to make the money to go to school and to college. I work my way through college and got my degree in ONE College, not five.

I don't profess to be smarter than anyone else - But I can say I AM AN AMERICAN and thank goodness my Vote counted this time.

Sarah Palin is just a blot on history and should stay there.

DEBIKI:

There are many more reason why I would never vote for Sarah Palin and I would avidly campaign against her.

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No one is asking you to vote for Sarah Palin. She will have all the votes she needs, thank you very much. And she will have millions who will go out an campaign FOR HER!

Not to worry.

Palin-Romney 2012

Romney-Palin 2012

EITHER WAY IS FINE WITH ME!

Peggy are you trying to intimidate me or is your "bold" button stuck. If you are - not workingl.

Good luck with the two quitters.

The voting public will never forgive Palin for quitting Alaska before her term expired nor should we.

She hasn't explained the weird resignation, and behaves as if she doesn't have to. The nation was fed up with that kind of attitude with the Bush / Cheney administration's secrecy and arrogance.

Good riddance to bad rubbish!

Hey! Don't denigrate trailer parks like that! I lived several years in a trailer park as a kid, and I grew up to be a proud liberal.

I've seen her house and if that's how trailer park hillbilly's live count me in.

if that's how trailer park hillbilly's live

Only the ones who rip off their constituents.

My sincere apologies Rachel. There were some very good people who came out of trailer parks. I was referring more to the Jerry Springer types. Forgive me?

;-)

Of course, this once. ; )

;-)

For Christs' sake, she needs a helicopter to hunt!!!

Like fishing with dynamite.

Palin is the most Bushlike of all the Republicans who have emerged as contenders for the national ticket:

Was that supposed to be an endorsement?

Was that supposed to be an endorsement?

It is if you're a Democrat! LOL

JB

Didn't you hear, some of the republican governors didn't want the part of the stimulus for expanding schools or education. They would like their constituents to stay ignorant. Sarah didn't want the money for "special education" and her with a baby with downs syndrom. WOW.

Well her kid is taken care of, screw anybody else in the same position. That's conservative ethics and morals right there.

"We're on board, now pull up the ladder."

I thought she was up to the task of being Vice President which is what she was running for. I didn't play what if scenarios or any of that.

Right now... I don't think she is fit to run anything. I think she needs to pull away and just concentrate on the things she cares about most.

She would not be welcomed in my house or my yard. If she comes to Florida - I definitely will be at her rallies with camera in hand and a megaphone to throw some "questions" at her. Let her do a town hall meeting - I'll be there with all my friends to "BOO" her out of town.

Actually McCain Palin did pretty well in Florida. 48.4% of the vote. Nearly half the state doesn't hate her. We like her in Texas. Maybe Jeb will run in 2012.

Um Bubba:

A win is a win and by the way - Florida was a "red" state until Sarah opened her mouth.

And Yippee - My vote counted.

Than I can only hope you will be arrested and charged. Free Speech doesn't mean infringing on another persons right of Free Speech. It never stops to amaze me how the Left yells, "Free Speech" and then always tries to restrcit the rights of others "Free Speech".

It's only Free Speech if it's spoken from my lips.

It's due time that we begin arresting, charging, and throwing in jail those who actively seek to infringe upon the Freedoms of others.

Don't forget Bill'O the Clown.

Any hypocrisy on the liberal side? Idiocy? Let me think.

Liberals "are" Idiocy and Hypocrisy.

It's the only explanation I can see for all the self loathing hatred that spews from their lips. You want me to change my view on that then you tell people who believe that "Freedom" only belongs to them and not others to knock it off. Tell the Left to respect the Freedom of Speech of others. You may not agree with what I say but that doesn't give you the right to keep me from saying it or listening to some one who is saying it.

Tell the Left to respect the Freedom of Speech of others. You may not agree with what I say but that doesn't give you the right to keep me from saying it or listening to some one who is saying it.

You might want to explain that to Palin and her attorney. They are the ones threatening to sue over any speculation discussed.

Hypocirsy and the left. The word tolerance keeps coming up. They certainly preach tolerance, but I'm afraid there is no tolerance for people or candidates with differing views. Now on the idiocy thing how about trying to sell a vacated senate seat to the highest bidder or maybe Barney Frank telling the congress everything is fine over at Fannie Mae where his lover works. Let's see, what else?

Liberals "are" Idiocy and Hypocrisy.

Sources?

I know, I know....it's just your opinion. But you know what Harry Callaghan said about opinions, right?

That stupid wink. Her whole campaign had "coached" written all over it.

In hindsight we can now see that McCain's selection of Palin over several other well qualified choices was a cynical party driven choice that he just let happen. Fred Barnes and other "Beltway boys" went to Alaska and were smitten by Palin and returned to tell the G.O.P. that she was the one. Of course they weren't thinking with the right head, and McCain just went along like a leaf in the wind.

Obama was the only choice the nation could have made. We dodged a real bullet.

U betcha!

WTF??

WTF??

I will second that!!! That is one loaded sentence.

Let us just bypass the nasty (gross) beginning and get to the

"sucessful buisness woman" ???

Are you speaking of show business???

I think that is the only business she knows.

Boy, I'm with you on that, DragonWoman.

We'll just leave #24 in the alley, where it belongs.

I can't reconcile the fact that anyone could support a candidate for the office of the Vice President of the United States who isn't aware of the most basic, fundamental issues facing the nation in these times.

Sarah Palin's total ignorance of a well known issue, such as the "Bush doctrine" should, on its own, disqualify her for any national elective office, and I believe it did.

"Successful business woman"??

Personally, I doubt Sarah Palin could organize a one car funeral.

A president, or anyone who has what it takes to be president, would have made their own decision on a running mate and not let "the party" make that decision for them.

McCain clearly isn't presidential material, and Palin, well.....

Did you see McCain this weekend on Meet the Press?

When asked if he would endorse her (after glowing remarks about her) he practically froze up.... Uh uh... "I would have to wait and see what the political make up will be"

What the hell is wrong with him?

Has he had his brains, ears, and eyes buried under some rock in the back yard of one of his 7 homes?

Sanford out.

Palin out.

Jingle... WTF???

Romney.... do they have enough oil in his oil can to keep his soul-less body from rusting?

McCain is a walking talking symbol of all that is wrong with the G.O.P. He's elderly, out of touch, thinks the office of the P.O.T.U.S.' office can be run like a business, and "hires" a Vice president based on who you know, and clearly, not what you know.

The Difference between Liberials and conservitves seemed clear to me that the Conservatives see the country like business and citizens are human resorces of the company.

Liberals know the real truth, that it's they who are the boss and the Government are our servants.

Who was it that said, "The fastest way for a free people to loose their power is to be tricked into thinking that they don't have any."?

And If no one ever said that, then I just did. :)

I still can't believe Bush and Cheney can get away with the arrogance, secrecy, and illegality of their administration.

Maybe they haven't yet.

Not if you listen to conservatives. Generally, they believe that liberals want to run and control everything,

This is fear mongering and they know better, or the really are stupid.

They really want their constituents to think this that's for sure.

In a way it is true, we don't want them to have a free reign. They would make it a one party government in a generation. Bush tried and it's scary how close he got. Sadly it is a balance that will be almost impossible to keep.

In a free society, differences of political sentiment result in different political parties. These sentiments resolve themselves naturally into two basic parties: the authoritarian (or monarchist, tory, etc.) that favors government that controls the people, and the democratic (or republican, liberal, etc.) that favors government controlled by the people. The body of the nation chooses a path that is mapped by one or the other of these parties.

It's important to note while reading history that No one has ever been born into this world Perfect. No one is without fault of beyond reproach... No one.And civilazation does not advnce by thinking that the lowest common denominator is the rule.

Culture is the pursuit toward total perfection from the best which has been thought, or said in the world. Matthew Arnold.

The "Divine Right" do not hold to this fact and disregard all the good a person does if they find one thing the can call a flaw and exploit as a weakness. In this they are unforgiving.

George Washington Lied, and never chopped a cherry tree down in his life. But to instill a love our Country, those are some of stories we told our children. Is this an excuse now to Hate America? They were stories, used to unify a country of immigrants.

Buit now, this is the curse of our times. And this glass house the "Right" has built over the years of nurtured ignorance of the people, to bring all progress we have made crashing down. And discredit it all... to replace it with what we fought to be free from over 230 years ago.

I only hope I don't live long enough to see it happen.

To compromise with an enemy by meeting them halfway, when you're half dead already is no compromise.

I know how hard they are pushing for health care, and we need to, but do you know what really should be made free for all Americans if we are to perserve this country.... Education, as Far as any who want to go and are capable of achieving, while still maintaining good grades.

"And say, finally, whether peace is best preserved by giving energy to the government or information to the people. This last is the most certain and the most legitimate engine of government. Educate and inform the whole mass of the people. Enable them to see that it is their interest to preserve peace and order, and they will preserve them. And it requires no very high degree of education to convince them of this. They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787.

I love post like this. . .

Uh. Did you read the link? Do you even know *where* the link leads?

fivethirtyeight.com certainly isn't a conservative outlet (I wouldn't say it's liberal, either -- it's generally a look at numbers and what they mean) and the post definitely doesn't have a conservative slant at all no matter how you want to spin it.

Again: Do you even know what you're criticizing, or are your responses posted on auto-pilot?

Well, visioncoast, you took on a good cause.

But it only goes to show that Liberals really are hateful and self-righteous far, far more than the Conservative camp these days. Just look through these posts here in this thread. Sickening language that at he same time continuing to attack Sarah Palin, instigates that all who vote for her, or think she has positive sides, are equally OK to target with the same, foul langage.

Liberal thugs!

I have always been independent, and have never been interested in belonging to a specific party - but the Liberal agenda of hate and vomit and as we have seen here is so outrageous that no normal person with interest in politics would consider being in alliance with such immature and demeaning characters. They have become exactly what they accuse other of being!

I guess war really IS the only option left, as normal respect for other peoples' point of view is no longer under consideration. So be it.

USfreeredstar You are such a liar.

I love how conservatives always say they are independents.

How ashamed of your political party do you have to be to resort to that?

So us, you are independent, but write off half the political spectrum?

Somehow that sounds not so independent.

My experience on Newsvine and in real life is that Republicans/conservatives/"Republican" Independents are far less forgiving of those with whom they disagree and much more vengeful when it comes to their ideologies, politics and politicians.

I have the exact opposite experience.

Disregard them altogether, and focus on the facts.

That does not mean you do not have to follow COH. So if you are sincere why are you not moderating your thread?

Post 1.21:

Usfreestar just can't seem to shake that idiot stigma huh?

Post 25.4:

USfreeredstar You are such a liar.

Both COH violations.

I love how conservatives always say they are independents.

I love how Liberals can only see the World in black or white.

So us, you are independent, but write off half the political spectrum?

Independent:

• free from outside control; not depending on another's authority
• not depending on another for livelihood or subsistence
• capable of thinking or acting for oneself
• not relying on a political party's stereotype.

Want more?
Here's a thought: look up what Independent means, for yourself.

Freestar you doing that thing again where you are shown the facts and change the subject?

Liberals can only see the World in black or white

Actually, that has been found by academics in the field of Political Science to be probably the single most characteristic feature of neoconservatism, as perhaps best exemplified by the Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Rice abandonment of the Kissingerian approach to Realpolitik in favour of a more ideological and (dare I say it?) faith-based approach in which 'evildoers' were to be opposed regardless of political exigencies.

But hell, OK...since we're in the land of make-believe, I'll play along.

Actually, that has been found by academics in the field of Political Science

Don't ever, ever begin to believe in your own BS.
Just a friendly warning.
Next thing you will be taking anti-depressives.

LOL

Not my BS, but BS developed by those blessed by the halls of academe.

I notice that you don't deny the neoconservative tendency toward good vs evil absolutism, hence the very black and white mentality you attempted to attribute to liberals.

It was what Ben Bradlee used to call a "non-denial denial", wasn't it?

See? You're already popping Zoloft...

Snap out of it!

capable of thinking or acting for oneself

not relying on a political party's stereotype.

Yet you seem to simply lockstep with the Right and put down the Left, across the board and rely on stereotypes of the Left in all your comments. I think you have an overinflated sense of being so very "independent." Because you seem far from that description.

I think you are a "left stereotype" and therefore it is relatively unimportant what you think?

Hoo boy.

*ducks to avoid collateral damage*

Brian Ford #25.1

What smarta$$ response to a comment from someone that is well within the C.O.H. guidlines. He simply says he loves posts like this, and you go ballistic. Nowhere did he mention that the article is liberal or conservative.

Do you even know what your talking about??